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mark lewis
2010-11-04 16:35:29 UTC
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ml> FTS-5001 is the document you seek... specifically Section H, very
ml> last line...

AF> Thanks!

:)

AF>> I maintain binkd nodelist compiler and it's currently doesn't
AF>> parse phone fields for IP addresses. I'd wish to add this feature
AF>> if there's a standard for it. If not, I'll probably add it as
AF>> "non-standard" option.
ml> well, one needs to also get everyone else in the same page and in the
ml> same boat... some "out there" (mostly in Z2) erroneously use 00-
ml> instead of 000-...

AF> AFAIK, "00-" scheme is used with INA flag only and only
AF> "00-00-000000" numbers are used, so they are not useful anyway. I
AF> used regular expression ",00-[1-9-]+" search thru nodelist and it
AF> didn't return anything. This means all phones beginning with "00-"
AF> are containing only zeroes and dashes.

right... the problem is/was that during the development of this method, 000- as
the first four characters of the phone number were supposed to indicate that
the next characters were an IP address or a domain name but those working on
this left for the internet due to numerous reasons... some were fidonet
politics and some folk doing everything they could to prevent such
implementation while promoting their own ideas and similar shenanigans... sadly
we were left with partial implementations, broken ones, and several good ones
that never got further than some code implementations or possibly some small
documentation but not both and neither fully implemented :? :(

AF> Anyway, I'll make a smart check. :)

ml> another problem is that the Z2C filters all such and converts it to
ml> "-Unpublished-" :(

AF> Well, I have full nodelist which isn't filtered. :)

;)

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Jerry Schwartz
2010-11-07 13:11:59 UTC
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Hello, Alexey...

Nov 04, 2010 at 19:35, mark lewis wrote to Alexey Fayans:

ml>> FTS-5001 is the document you seek... specifically Section H, very
ml>> last line...

AF>> Thanks!

ml> :)

AF>>> I maintain binkd nodelist compiler and it's currently doesn't

So do I, if you can call it maintenance. I haven't even looked at the code in
years.


AF>>> parse phone fields for IP addresses. I'd wish to add this feature
AF>>> if there's a standard for it. If not, I'll probably add it as
AF>>> "non-standard" option.
ml>> well, one needs to also get everyone else in the same page and in the
ml>> same boat... some "out there" (mostly in Z2) erroneously use 00-
ml>> instead of 000-...


AF>> AFAIK, "00-" scheme is used with INA flag only and only
AF>> "00-00-000000" numbers are used, so they are not useful anyway. I
AF>> used regular expression ",00-[1-9-]+" search thru nodelist and it
AF>> didn't return anything. This means all phones beginning with "00-"
AF>> are containing only zeroes and dashes.


The last changes I made to my code were

The logic that looks for an IP address in the phone number now accepts 00- as
well as 000-. Apparently this is used in some zones, or at least in some cases.

The program no longer considers the phone number a valid IP address if the
resulting address is 0.0.0.0

ml> right... the problem is/was that during the development of this
ml> method, 000- as the first four characters of the phone number were
ml> supposed to indicate that the next characters were an IP address or a
ml> domain name but those working on this left for the internet due to
ml> numerous reasons... some were fidonet politics and some folk doing
ml> everything they could to prevent such implementation while promoting
ml> their own ideas and similar shenanigans... sadly we were left with
ml> partial implementations, broken ones, and several good ones that
ml> never got further than some code implementations or possibly some
ml> small documentation but not both and neither fully implemented :? :(

Actually, the big issue was that "000" is the Australian emergency number, like
"911" in the USA. They complained that a poorly configured system could
accidentally dial "000".

It was pointed out that India uses "911" and Z1 hadn't complained, but...

I'd be happy to share my code, if anyone is interested. I wrote it in Perl,
back when I knew Perl.

Regards,

Jerry Schwartz

mailto:***@comfortable.com
http://www.writebynight.com
Scott Little
2010-11-09 05:18:26 UTC
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[ On 2010-11-07 at 16:11:58, Jerry Schwartz wrote to Alexey Fayans ]

JS> Actually, the big issue was that "000" is the Australian emergency
JS> number, like "911" in the USA. They complained that a poorly
JS> configured system could accidentally dial "000".

Not just the emergency number, but the fact there wasn't/isn't a standard
format for listing null numbers, making it harder to block (or at least
redirect) using the primitive pattern matching system of most mailers.
Supposedly some mailers cannot block calls based on dialling prefixes either,
so for numbers containing IP addresses there was no way to completely
substitute a safe number.

This hasn't been a (potential) problem for at least four years, BTW. Such
invalid numbers are automatically replaced with -Unpublished- in the weekly
NODELIST distribution by the Z3C.


-- Scott Little [fidonet#3:712/848 / ***@sysgod.org]
Jame Clay
2010-11-11 13:33:16 UTC
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Jerry,
Post by Jerry Schwartz
It was pointed out that India uses "911" and Z1 hadn't complained, but...
I'd be happy to share my code, if anyone is interested. I wrote it in Perl,
back when I knew Perl.
I think you gave me a copy of it, though I don't recall off hand which
version that was...



Jame
Jerry Schwartz
2010-11-12 18:33:03 UTC
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Hello, Jame...

Nov 11, 2010 at 16:33, Jame Clay wrote to Jerry Schwartz:

JC> Jerry,
Post by Jerry Schwartz
It was pointed out that India uses "911" and Z1 hadn't complained,
it in Perl, back when I knew Perl.
JC> I think you gave me a copy of it, though I don't recall off hand
JC> which
JC> version that was...

In any case, I just modified the code so that it shouldn't bark at INA flags
anymore.

Regards,

Jerry Schwartz

mailto:***@comfortable.com
http://www.writebynight.com
RJ Clay
2010-12-12 10:24:33 UTC
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Jerry Schwartz wrote to Jame Clay:
JS> Nov 11, 2010 at 16:33, Jame Clay wrote to Jerry Schwartz:
JS> >> It was pointed out that India uses "911" and Z1 hadn't complained,
JS> >> but... I'd be happy to share my code, if anyone is interested. I wrote
JS> >> it in Perl, back when I knew Perl.
JS>
JS> JC> I think you gave me a copy of it, though I don't recall off hand
JS> JC> which version that was...
JS>
JS> In any case, I just modified the code so that it shouldn't bark at INA
JS> flags anymore.

Yes, I've seen the resulting files since you made the change; much
appreciated!

Jame


Greetings, RJ Clay
email: ***@ftn.rocasa.us

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